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Shine
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 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Giuliano wrote: | | that's what I had planned but I get FPS drop after 20 something blits.. that means that if I blit a few backgrounds + player I can only blit a few animated tiles + enemies.. that will really decrease the fun of the game |
It is a good idea to use the Timer functions for movements instead hard coupling it to the vsync speed, because then it doesn't matter, if sometimes fps drops a bit, e.g. if there are many enemies on screen (the human eye notice flickers only below about 25 fps). |
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Giuliano
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Shine wrote: | | Giuliano wrote: | | that's what I had planned but I get FPS drop after 20 something blits.. that means that if I blit a few backgrounds + player I can only blit a few animated tiles + enemies.. that will really decrease the fun of the game |
It is a good idea to use the Timer functions for movements instead hard coupling it to the vsync speed, because then it doesn't matter, if sometimes fps drops a bit, e.g. if there are many enemies on screen (the human eye notice flickers only below about 25 fps). |
Okay I don't quite understand what you mean. I understood 2 different things.
1) Leave drawing in the vBLANK loop but base movement on time (so it's always the same speed even if FPS drops)
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2) Instead of using vblank, use the timer function to wait in between drawing and movement loops, getting rid of vblank totally from the code.
Can you clarify?
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Shine
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Giuliano wrote: | 1) Leave drawing in the vBLANK loop but base movement on time (so it's always the same speed even if FPS drops)
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Yes, this is it. |
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Giuliano
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Shine wrote: | | Giuliano wrote: | 1) Leave drawing in the vBLANK loop but base movement on time (so it's always the same speed even if FPS drops)
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Yes, this is it. |
Okay so something like this (pseudo)
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pixelspersecond=10;
while (true) do
screen:clear()
--do timer functions here to calculate FPS
--do key functions here
if (pad:right()) then player.x=player.x+(pixelspersecond/FPS)
--do drawing
--vblank and flip
screen:waitVblankstart....screen:flip
end |
In my test though, after 20 something blits there was a huge drop in FPS rate.. is that supposed to be ? because I could swear I have blitted more in the past without the FPS dropping so much.
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romero126
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: |
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more like
while true do
--timer (for fps and display updates)
-- othercode
end
You dont have to update your display every time the loop goes through.
Updating the display drops your FPS overall to a huge huge low.
-- Cycles Per Second - The time it takes for the program to complete a full system loop.
Try only updating your display when needed. It significantly increases your CPS (Cycles per Second) by a ton.
You can upwards to 500 CPS if done correctly (Cycles Per Second) |
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Giuliano
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| romero126 wrote: | more like
while true do
--timer (for fps and display updates)
-- othercode
end
You dont have to update your display every time the loop goes through.
Updating the display drops your FPS overall to a huge huge low.
-- Cycles Per Second - The time it takes for the program to complete a full system loop.
Try only updating your display when needed. It significantly increases your CPS (Cycles per Second) by a ton.
You can upwards to 500 CPS if done correctly (Cycles Per Second) |
I can do something like that. If there is no change in player position, sprite position, etc.. then not draw but there most likely are changes during every cycle. ie: if player is moving, animations on screen, etc... |
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romero126
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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10-12 FPS look almost instantanious.
Your eyes cannot see faster than that. |
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LuMo
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
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lol
so why are movies at 25fps and more?
human eye sees 25 pictures or more as motion, less is not smooth
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romero126
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I was exagurating to make a point.. 12 fps looks pretty good.. and is a pretty good output for LUA Player.
30 FPS btw is how fast the human eye can see. Sometimes 35 but its rare. |
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DiabloTerrorGF
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| The FPS issue is talked about a lot. And the regular human eye can distuingish up to 120 FPS, although, you won't "see" a difference. There also pilots who can see above 180 fps, it's crazy. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I want to keep at least 40 FPS avg in my game. I think this will be easy if I manage my code well. |
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KawaGeo
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Movie theaters run at 60 fps if I am not mistaken. It was because of the very large screen for audience who sit closer. Smaller screen or deeper perspective would not make any difference with a lower fps rate. Does it make sense?
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Shine
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Most movie projectors have a frame rate of 24 pictures per seconds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_projector
But the shutter can have a higher frame rate, but this means only, that the same image is displayed 2 or 3 times. This reduces flickering. And this is the same for the PSP: you don't need to change the image every 1/60 second, because movements appear smooth with 24 fps and it doesn't flicker, because the display is updated 1/60 second, even if you don't change the image content. |
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